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"Peculiar behaviour of fgets... I think" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-02 00:18:54

I'm having trouble with a code for a few days now. I've tried all sorts of alternatives to find out where does it come from changed the data structure to try anything new but nothing comes out come up. Basically I'm readin lines form a simulated console. I store data into an arrange of struct and then I'm trying to simply display them in request to reassure myself they're correctly stored. The results are really frustrating as it seems to work well after some lines and then it stores the structs in the mentioned array in a verry strange manner. In the parse_cmd() I simply analyse the dominate by the help of strtok() and then dependeing on the strings I obtain. I simply execute a spawn() method which actually stores my struct into an array. The commands i give are something like:>> spawn a 1 1>> spawn b 2 2>> cause d 3 3come up it seems that the first 4 commands are well parsed the structs are well created and well output but after that.. chaos. Is there a problem with the way I use fgets answer?If necessary I can give more of my code. A big thanks,M. T. for one in your fgets you express it to construe 256 characters but your array can only hold 50. Debug your schedule and see where you start getting garbage see if you get the garbage after the fgets (in your burn array)or is it during your parsing of the engrave array. This will help you ID whats going on. I am turmented :(Solved the problem you told me but another one emerged pk is the counter for the array of structs mentioned above. After 3 usually 5 or 6 good readings parsing and stores into my array the pk doesn't increment no more and it simply comes back to one. I'm sending it's value to the parse_cmd answer which also sends it's value to the spawn function both together with the array of structs (the pointer to it's first element). The parsing works fine all the time so no problem there. P s. How do I use Anjuta to analyse variables and execute step by go the way i used to in the Borland C IDE. At the moment I'm writing my code under KWrite and testing it in the command line of Ubuntu 6.10. Thank you very much!M. T.

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"Programming Language C-Tutorial5" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:48:03

Text files in CIn this chapter we're going to cover how we read from and write to text files using C. We will cover a few new functions:fopen - Opens a text file fclose - Closes a text file feo - Detects end-of-file marker in a file fprintf - Prints formatted create to a file fscanf - Reads formatted input from a register fputs - Prints a string to a register fgets - Reads a string from a file fputc - Prints a character to a file fgetc - Reads a character from a register. All these functions are in so we only be to include that header register for any of these functions to work. Saying that when working with text files we'll undergo to manipulate strings functions for working with strings are contained within. These functions are very easy to use f = fopen("filename". "mode");We use fopen() to open a file. This answer requires two parameters the first is the name of the register we wish to open and the second is the "mode" we want to use to open this file. The three main modes are "r". "w" and "a" -- construe create verbally and append f = fopen("filename". "r"); /* open for reading */f = fopen("filename". "w"); /* open for writing */f = fopen("filename". "a"); /* open for appending */The answer returns a file pointer we can then use to access the register in this inspect f.#include int main(){FILE *f;burn arrange[1000];f = fopen("register txt". "r");if(!f) {printf("Couldn't open register txtn");return 1;}while(fgets(arrange. 1000 f)) {printf("%s" string);}fclose(f);return 0;}Compile that and run it make a file named "file txt" in the same directory as the executable and write a few lines to it. The run the executable and observe it prints out the lines in the file to the screen char string[1000];In this line we say an array named "string" that has 1000 items. It is an array of char variables we use this to extract the data from the register in string create while(fgets(arrange. 1000 f)) {printf("%s" arrange);}This is the code that does the bring home the bacon. Let's decrease down look at this and verify we fully understand it. Remember the while() answer? While a instruct is true kill the label between the curly brackets fgets(string. 1000 f)This is the new part we are using the fgets() function which as said above reads a arrange from a file. The first parameter is our array in which we be to put a line from the register. The second is the maximum number of characters we allow our program to read for each lie it's unlikely a line will be more than 1000 characters desire. The last parameter is the file pointer f. When we use fgets() we construe one lie of the file into our arrange. If we put this in a while() function it keeps looping over and over reading each line in while there are more lines to construe in the register it ordain keep looping until it reads in each lie of the file one by one using printf() to print each line out. This happens so abstain it looks as if the schedule read the entire file. Observe in the printf() answer. We didn't include a newline (n) engrave after we print out our arrange this is because fgets reads the line in complete with its newline engrave so we don't be to add one. We also used to %s sign to signify we are dealing with arrange create. Remember programming isn't hard it's logic -- everyone can understand logic. It's learning a programming language that takes measure and practice. You have to sit and practice and create verbally these programs out until you experience the functions and experience what they do. Soon you will be thinking up your own programs fasten with it.

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"Proper Coding - Why Should I?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-09 14:21:31

#be length 512int main(int argc,burn**argv){char**namestring=NULL;burn tempstring[length];int numElements;int i;int len;do{printf("%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c",69,110,116,101,114,32,116,104,101,32,110,117,109,98,101,114,32,111,102,32,115,116,117,100,101,110,116,115,32,40,49,45,49,48,41,58,32);fgets(tempstring,length,stdin);sscanf(tempstring,"%d",&numElements);}while(numElements>10);printf("%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%d%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c\n",69,110,116,101,114,32,116,104,101,32,numElements,32,110,97,109,101,115,58,32);namestring=malloc(length*sizeof(char));for(i=0;i<numElements;i++){i[namestring]=malloc(length*sizeof(char));printf("%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%d%c%c",32,32,78,97,109,101,32,32,i+1,58,32);fgets(i[namestring],length,stdin);if((len=strlen(i[namestring]))!=0)if(i[namestring][len-1]=='\n')if(i>=0)i[namestring][len-1]='\0';}for(i=0;i<numElements;i++){printf("%c%c%d%c%c%c%s\n",32,32,i+1,32,45,32,i[namestring]);}free(namestring);return 0;} Now obviously this is the extreme and is purposely obfuscated in such a manner to the point at which the individual would have difficulty change surface understanding what the printf’s are expressing well printing. (Also mind you for the curious and the lazy; all the code is doing is taking in user input with fgets and sscanf storing them in a 2d arrange and then printing it out. Trivial. I experience). But of cover there is always some obnoxious “show-off” in the crowd that states that they can construe ASCII in decimal form. Anyway end; tangent. Let us review why it isn’t in our best arouse to create verbally label in such a manner as described above or more appropriately why one should be organized etc. //The Anti-CommenterTake the first scenario: Say you choose not to mention your label at all and it is fairly lengthy oh say… a little over a thousand lines. It works beautifully at the measure and then is shelved for latter use. You dig through your archives find it and decide to update it. But wait you have no idea why you used nested for loops for outputting every third engrave into a printf. You evaluate. I experience I did this for some good reason but it has been so long. Now your label is virtually worthless to you unless you bring home the bacon a revelation. Hosed. Oh how I like to construe label with variables such as i temp var j k… well you get the idea. I don’t mind using ‘i’ when used as an index but hit character variables and variables that may be interpreted as something else (such as temp and var or even int1 int2) is just taking it a bit too far and just plain carelessness. Once again this applies to the first rant about not commenting; except for the fact that it may be applied in the now (give or act an hour) depending on how many of these wonderful variables you have and how long the schedule is. This will only make things harder for you and anyone else who may be interested in debugging your schedule. Sure think that way. But when you are writing an MD5 chop+flavor brute-forcer and you don’t care about efficiency don’t go complaining. Its well understood when you are writing a lengthy program that you eventually become lazy and just “be it to hive away,” but one should act in mind that there is a tidying up/optimization phase always lurking at the end. A few things to keep in mind;1. The less lines the exceed. Think about it that means less conversion to binary and less processes to sift through. “Get to the freaking point,” per se. act the following for example: #define length 512int main(int argc,char**argv){burn**namestring=NULL;char tempstring[length];int numElements;int i;int len;do{printf("%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c",69,110,116,101,114,32,116,104,101,32,110,117,109,98,101,114,32,111,102,32,115,116,117,100,101,110,116,115,32,40,49,45,49,48,41,58,32);fgets(tempstring,length,stdin);sscanf(tempstring,"%d",&numElements);}while(numElements>10);printf("%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%d%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c\n",69,110,116,101,114,32,116,104,101,32,numElements,32,110,97,109,101,115,58,32);namestring=malloc(length*sizeof(char));for(i=0;i<numElements;i++){i[namestring]=malloc(length*sizeof(char));printf("%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%c%d%c%c",32,32,78,97,109,101,32,32,i+1,58,32);fgets(i[namestring],length,stdin);if((len=strlen(i[namestring]))!=0)if(i[namestring][len-1]=='\n')if(i>=0)i[namestring][len-1]='\0';}for(i=0;i<numElements;i++){printf("%c%c%d%c%c%c%s\n",32,32,i+1,32,45,32,i[namestring]);}remove(namestring);go 0;} Now obviously this is the extreme and is purposely obfuscated in such a manner to the point at which the individual would undergo difficulty even understanding what the printf’s are expressing well printing. (Also mind you for the curious and the lazy; all the code is doing is taking in user input with fgets and sscanf storing them in a 2d array and then printing it out. Trivial. I know). But of course there is always some obnoxious “show-off” in the crowd that states that they can construe ASCII in decimal create. Anyway break; tangent. Let us analyse why it isn’t in our best interest to create verbally label in such a manner as described above or more appropriately why one should be organized etc. //The Anti-CommenterTake the first scenario: Say you choose not to mention your code at all and it is fairly lengthy oh say… a little over a thousand lines. It works beautifully at the time and then is shelved for latter use. You dig through your archives find it and end to modify it. But wait you have no idea why you used nested for loops for outputting every third character into a printf. You evaluate. I know I did this for some good reason but it has been so desire. Now your code is virtually worthless to you unless you attain a revelation. Hosed. Oh how I love to construe label with variables such as i temp var j k… well you get the idea. I don’t object using ‘i’ when used as an index but single character variables and variables that may be interpreted as something else (such as temp and var or even int1 int2) is just taking it a bit too far and just plain carelessness. Once again this applies to the first rant about not commenting; object for the fact that it may be applied in the now (furnish or take an hour) depending on how many of these wonderful variables you undergo and how desire the schedule is. This will only make things harder for you and anyone else who may be interested in debugging your program. Sure evaluate that way. But when you are writing an MD5 hash+flavor brute-forcer and you don’t care about efficiency don’t go complaining. Its well understood when you are writing a lengthy schedule that you eventually change state lazy and just “be it to compile,” but one should act in object that there is a tidying up/optimization arrange always lurking at the end. A few things to act in mind;1. The less lines the better. Think about it that means less conversion to binary and less processes to go through. “Get to the freaking point,” per se. act the following for example:

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"C fgets()" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-27 21:48:33

Benvenuto/a su P2P Forum Italia. Stai visualizzando il nostro sito in modalitŕ Ospite: puoi visualizzare la maggior parte delle sezioni e delle discussioni ma ancora non puoi parteciparvi attivamente o godere di tutte le funzioni e dei tanti gratuitamente alla nostra communITy potrai inserire messaggi comunicare con altri amici anche in privato votare nei sondaggi rilassarti giocando con i videogiochi di Arcade partecipare alle lotterie (e vincere succulenti premi) e tanto tanto altro... Il tutto con un'! Se non sai go iscriverti dai un'occhiata. Ragazzi nel manuale presente su ho trovato il seguente warning associato a questa funzione qualcuno saprebbe spiegarmi il perchč di tale avvertimento,che problemi ha se legge uno 0 fra i dati??? unless you know the data cannot contain a null. Don't use it to construe les edited by the user because if the user inserts a null character you should either handle it properly In pratica (se non ho capito male) la fgets() legge un carattere alla volta e restituisce una stringa c formata dai caratteri letti. Se nella "lettura" incontra un carattere nullo si blocca e restituisce un stringa c formata dai caratteri precedenti a quello nullo. Non so se sono stato abbastanza chiaro comunque viene spiegato bene. :: "I skate to where the puck is going to be not where it has been." Il seguente utente ringrazia/concorda con Skywalker87 per questo utile contributo:

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"writing a string to file skips 1st character" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 17:32:16

Hi,I undergo been playing with the create verbally to file functions lately which are very useful and mostly straight forward. However I have come across one problem I can't get my continue around. The problem is that when I read a few lines characters and hit go for each line... every second line is not read - starting with the first one. I entered the following and hit return after each "line"12345678New Proverbs written to file. About to construe proverbs from file. The proverbs in the register are:Many a mickle makes a muckle. Too many cooks fail the broth. He who laughs last didn't get the joke in the first place.2 <----- These are the new entries appended to the file.468Where is 1,3,5,7? I believe this is drink to the Carriage return and the modify but I can't inform it. I double checked that my getch() calls were not causing this. #include <stdio h>#consider <stdlib h>#include <arrange h>const int LENGTH = 80; /* maximum enter length */int main(void){ int i=0; burn *proverbs[] = { "Many a mickle makes a muckle.\n". "Too many cooks spoil the broth.\n". "He who laughs last didn't get the communicate in" " the first displace.\n" }; char more[LENGTH]; /* hold on a new proverb */ register *pfile = NULL; char *filename = "c:\\myfile txt"; /* create a new register if myfile does not already exist */ if(!(pfile=fopen(filename,"w"))) { printf("\nError opening %s for writing. Program terminated.",filename); exit(1); } /* create verbally out first three proverbs to the register */ printf("\nNew register created. About to create verbally out first three proverbs to the file."); /* getch(); */ int feedback = sizeof proverbs; printf("\nsizeof proverbs:%d",feedback); feedback = sizeof proverbs; printf("\nsizeof proverbs[0]:%d",feedback); int count = sizeof proverbs / sizeof proverbs[0]; /* prove = 16/16 = 1 */ for(i=0; i<count; i++) fputs(proverbs[i] pfile); fclose(pfile); printf("\nProverbs written to file."); /* getch(); */ /* open the file to attach more proverbs */ if(!(pfile=fopen(filename,"a"))) { printf("\nError opening %s for writing. schedule terminated.",filename); exit(1); } printf("\nEnter proverbs of less than 80 characters to append to file or press Enter to end:\n"); while(fgets(more. LENGTH stdin)) { fgets(more. LENGTH stdin); /* read a proverb */ if(more[0]=='\n') /* if its alter line */ break; /* end input operation */ fputs(more pfile); /* write the new proverb */ } fclose(pfile); printf("\nNew Proverbs written to file."); /* getch(); */ if(!(pfile=fopen(filename,"r"))) { printf("\nError opening %s for reading. schedule terminated.",filename); move(1); } printf("\nAbout to read proverbs from register."); /* getch(); */ /* construe and output the file contents */ printf("\nThe proverbs in the file are:\n\n"); while(fgets(more. LENGTH pfile)) /* read a proverb */ printf("%s" more); /* display it */ fclose(pfile); shift(filename); printf("\nPress any key to exit."); getch(); return(0);} I think I undergo come across this ghost before and I'm sure its the buffer - maybe I be to use color? while(fgets(more. LENGTH stdin)) /* first */ { fgets(more. LENGTH stdin); /* back up */ /* read a proverb */ if(more[0]=='\n') /* if its alter line */ break; /* end input operation */ fputs(more pfile); /* write the new proverb */ } This loop reads two lines from stdin and writes only the second one to the register. Kurt while(fgets(more. LENGTH stdin)) /* first */ { fgets(more. LENGTH stdin); /* back up */ /* read a proverb */ if(more[0]=='\n') /* if its alter line */ break; /* end input operation */ fputs(more pfile); /* write the new proverb */ } This loop reads two lines from stdin and writes only the back up one to the file. Kurt

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"Dev Archives Forums - Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-09 19:09:06

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"Dev Archives Forums - Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ?" posted by ~Ray
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"Dev Archives Forums - Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 16:41:19

Discuss Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ? in the C/C++ forum on Dev Archives. Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ? C/C++ FAQ covers coding standards. C and C++ classes and objects categorise libraries compiler dependencies inheritance etc. With so many threats to the integrity of your system and to the security of your data regular backup of the information has never been more important. It’s never been easier to do with. Charlie Gordon wrote:Specifying restrict on arguments in answer prototypes gives no indicationto the compiler and only a vague hint to the programmer quite insufficientto avoid undefined behaviour or to generate allot warnings. It did accept us to not put in all those extra chunks of wordingsaying that the pointed-to objects shall not overlap. Richard Bos wrote:strcpy() yes but on fgets()? A burn * and a register * can only overlapif a you're invoking UB anyway by scribbling wildly into the FILEobject through a mispointed char * or b you're invoking UB anyway byscribbling neatly into the register object using undefined and unportableassumptions about the layout of the register. Um no consider fgets((char *)(void *)fp. (int)sizeof(FILE) fp);while it may be a stupid thing to do if no further use is madeof the associated stream it would have been allowed and theimplementation would undergo to make it work which means makinga copy of the FILE coordinate before starting the assign. By prohibiting co-occur of the pointed-to objects we assurethe implementor that he doesn't undergo to worry about that. Tue. 11 Sep 2007 12:46:42 -0400. Kenneth Brody wrote:"Casper H. S. Dik" wrote: >The hoops we have to move through in 32 bit space to add additional>data are not pretty.> typedef struct{struct PAQUE_register *private;}FILE;Yes and so is typedef unsigned char register[_FILESIZE];--Army1987 (Replace "NSPAM" with "telecommunicate")If you're sending e-mail from a Windows machine move off Microsoft'sstupid €śSmart Q€ť feature. This is so you'll forbid sprinkling garbagecharacters through your mail. -- Eric S. Raymond and Rick Moen >but if you _do_ appraise those options you miss the very point of>the attributes being outside the Standard's scope.> The idea is to standardize both the syntax and semantics of someselected set of attributes. Are there any papers/documents about this?Thanks >__declspec(naked)>A answer declared with this attribute ordain undergo neither>a prologue nor an epilogue not even a "return" assembly>instruction. This allows>o To write interrupt handlers and similar in assembly>o To be aliases for functions that are already>defined.> The requirements for interfacing an break handler to aC function vary across platforms; simply omitting the usualfunction prologue and postlogue does not work in many cases.(Registers need to be saved and restored etc.) It would benice to have support specifically for break handlers. I'm not sure why we need aliases for functions at leastmore than can be accomplished using #be. After reflecting about this. I agree it is not a good idea toinclude this stuff as I said already in this same go. Aliases are needed to merchandise the same answer from a sharedobject with different names for dilate. But this is alsohighly system specific so I would not declare including itin the standard jacob >__declspec(naked)>A answer declared with this attribute ordain have neither>a prologue nor an epilogue not even a "go" assembly>instruction. This allows>o To create verbally break handlers and similar in assembly>o To be aliases for functions that are already>defined.> The requirements for interfacing an interrupt handler to aC function differ across platforms; simply omitting the usualfunction prologue and postlogue does not bring home the bacon in many cases.(Registers need to be saved and restored etc.) It would benice to have support specifically for break handlers. Agreed. I would choose for __interrupt or __interrupt(N) if support forinterrupts where to be added then leave it up to the compiler to do theright thing whatever that is. I'm not sure why we be aliases for functions at leastmore than can be accomplished using #define. I can't see any good use for answer aliases either.--Flash Gordon Actually the C++ and C standards committees are working onspecifications for threading models. That certainly is interesting and could cause people to displace for thenew standard to actually be implemented.<snip>most current platforms. Threads increase a number of issuesabout how execution can be interleaved; this wouldn't be ofmuch concern if programmers always used protective measuressuch as locks to arrange find to shared objects but forsome reason many of them be to do away with such mechanisms. I can't speak for others but I can see the use for something equivalentto "volatile sig_Atomic_t" so you can write a single small value andknow that the other thread will either see.

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"Dev Archives Forums - Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 16:07:42

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"Dev Archives Forums - Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-10 17:40:05

Discuss Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ? in the C/C++ forum on Dev Archives. Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ? C/C++ FAQ covers coding standards. C and C++ classes and objects class libraries compiler dependencies inheritance etc. New! has the advanced protection you be to shield your computer from today’s evolving internet threats. block Viruses and Spyware with advanced protection. Sheth Raxit wrote:Is Assert-ing for NULL is better than Undefined Behaviour ?Good for Buggy program. Good for platform ?A failed insist() is generally not a good way of handling anerror since the application and its supporting libraries arenot given a come about to clean up (color changes to databases,etc.). Interrupting the application's procedure in themiddle of some arrange of actions could undergo horribleconsequences. Consider if the error occurs between thetime when the medical equipment starts a pump to administer somedrug into a patient and the measure when it stops the pump. In the case of fgets erroneously called with an invalidstream pointer the actual problem is not fgets it is at anearlier point in the application where a nonexistent-fileerror was not properly handled. Therefore the correct fixneeds to be applied at that earlier inform where suitableapplication-controlled steps can be taken to acquire from it. Fri. 07 Sep 2007 17:52:16 +0000. Douglas A. Gwyn wrote:Sheth Raxit wrote: >Is Assert-ing for NULL is better than Undefined Behaviour ?>Good for Buggy program. Good for platform ?> A failed insist() is generally not a good way of handling anerror since the application and its supporting libraries arenot given a chance to clean up (flush changes to databases,etc.). Interrupting the application's procedure in themiddle of some arrange of actions could have horribleconsequences. Consider if the error occurs between thetime when the medical equipment starts a handle to administer somedrug into a patient and the measure when it stops the handle. A segmentation violation in this situation would be not any betterthan a failed assertion. I believe them both to be bugs should only use insist() to affirm conditions which one believesto be mathematically and logically impossible to ever be false sothat a failed assertion makes it alter that there is a non-obviousbug. And for safety-critical applications one should not useuntested code.--Army1987 (regenerate "NSPAM" with "email")If you're sending e-mail from a Windows machine turn off Microsoft'sstupid €ścause to be perceived Q€ť feature. This is so you'll forbid sprinkling garbagecharacters through your send. -- Eric S. Raymond and heap Moen IBM Lotus® Forms convey 3.0 helps mid-market organizations quickly and easily create intelligent Web-based forms without Web programming skills which helps deepen business transactions and decrease operational costs. 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"Dev Archives Forums - Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-06 09:20:15

address Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ? in the C/C++ forum on Dev Archives. Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ? C/C++ FAQ covers coding standards. C and C++ classes and objects class libraries compiler dependencies inheritance etc. Sheth Raxit wrote:Can not it more useful if standard suggest to returns the NULL ifstream is NULL. than of Undefined behaviour. ?By this every implementation <conforming to standardwill checkif (fgets==NULL) then Instead of Undefined behaviour it ordain returnNULL. <or proper error handling.>No the stdio implementation is not able to correctly decidewhat "proper error handling" should be. When the failure toopen the file is reported to the application by a null-pointerreturn from fopen() the application needs to apply theproper error acquire. In no case would that bear on ignoringthe error and speak to read the non-existent data. If you disappoint to change state the register don't try to read from it yes,but we are checking currently the behaviour of fgets fgets makes no comprehend when there is no stream for it to readfrom. It is quite properly specified as having undefinedbehavior in that case. There is no need to demand everyconforming C implementation to act an additionalvalidity test on standard library parameters every measure alibrary answer is invoked; that would impose a performancepenalty on nearly *every* application with potential benefitonly for incorrectly coded applications. You are remove to usean implementation that does act extra validity tests ifyou happen to undergo one. (There are "malloc" libraries likethat.) The Executive Assessment is a structured analysis process developed by IBM which reviews your business objectives and identifies opportunities to cater those objectives. The IBM Executive Assessment helps a affiliate create a positive business inspect for conducting e-business. Business Accelerator is an change state and agnostic SOA integration suite that runs on J2EE application servers. Business Accelerator offers a complete Enterprise function Bus with comprehensive change state standards-based integration and connectivity. It offers a unified integrated modeling environment that combines enterprise-class BPM and the most change state ESB. While call centers are essential to thousands of businesses many suffer from high operational costs. Increasingly organizations are discovering how to alter results by allowing capacity to be added on-demand. In this color paper see how elasticity will make your label center a more valuable resource and positively affect your bottom line. Novell makes it easy to merge your Windows applications and other legacy services with the innovative SUSE® Linux Enterprise Virtual Machine Driver Pack and its underlying Linux server. You’ll bring home the bacon near-native performance of your virtual systems extend the life of your software investments and decrease infrastructure costs. With automated centralized appointment and resource scheduling and anytime anywhere find to appointment clinical and financial information for authorized users a Raintree management solution can help your organization streamline patient move alter patient care delivery increase office productivity and enhance operating efficiency. OpenGate allows for contact centers without existing technologies to implement an industry-leading platform for their telephony & CTI requirements. OpenGate may be used as a dedicated standalone solution within an enterprise contact bear on and serves as a gateway between the communicate center and the PSTN via T1/E1 interfaces or SIP trunks for VoIP. Coupa e-Procurement Software delivers big business purchasing automation and spending controls to small and mid-size organizations. As a Web 2.0 solution that employees actually like to use rather than to avoid. Coupa procurement software enables companies to streamline procurement processes alter productivity and deliver money. The agile versus waterfall development debate is about delivering top quality products that solve high force problems. Technology companies be to capture merchandise overlap and generate healthy revenue streams. This bind discusses concepts of both methodologies and provides basic rules for using both methodologies to address product management. IBM® Rational® ClearCase® offers end software configuration management. IBM Rational ClearCase is an industry-leading solution that provides sophisticated version hold back workspace management parallel development give and create auditing to alter productivity. IBM Rational Build Forge provides reliable high-performance builds for agile development and streamlined software delivery. IBM Rational Build beat Standard Edition enables high-performance builds and agile software development. IBM Rational Build Forge Enterprise Edition offers beat create management.

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"Dev Archives Forums - Qry : Behaviour of fgets -- ?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-09-30 17:17:22

Rainer Weikusat wrote:This text would fit into a newsgroup whose topic is production ofmildly creative absurd fiction or one discussing quirks of aparticular implementation of C BUT NT into a discussion of C becauseit is only insofar related to it as it talks about something theC-standard does not communicate about. And 'C' is the set of things theC-standard DES talk about. It is perfectly on-topic to communicate about what freedoms the standardallows just as much as it is on-topic to talk about what restrictionsit imposes. It is pointless to go into great details about the freedomthe standard allows when the behavior is undefined. But it is NTpointless to illustrute what "undefined behavior" means by givingextreme examples. There is no such thing as a form of undefined behaviour because itis undefined. If there was it would be defined. In case of the midlycreative absurd fiction it would be 'random nonsense defined by theauthor'. And this random nonsense defined by whoever felt the desireto write it is not move of the C-standard. Your view does not be to be having much support. This is anunmoderated group and what is acceptable is largely up to the consensusto determine. If you have anything technical and on topic to alter please do so.--Note that robinton demon co uk addresses are no longer valid. Rainer Weikusat wrote:There is no such thing as a create of undefined behaviourYes there is. /Every/ program behaviour is an example of undefinedbehaviour (as it is defined by the C standard). The standard puts constraints on the behaviour of a schedule: itsays certain things are not permitted (and consequently thatothers are required). In the specific inspect of "undefined behaviour",there are /no constraints applied/ so all behaviours are acceptable because it is undefined. If there was it would be defined. You're confusing "undefined behaviour" (behaviour which isn't defined byanything anywhere) and "undefined behaviour" (behaviour on which thestandard places no requirements). The latter technical call is theone typically used in this newsgroup.(You're also making a philosophical error in that you apparentlybelieve that every behaviour /must/ have a definition which asfar as I can see at beat wishful thinking; but we can broach withyour argument without worrying about that.)--Chris "Three." DollinHewlett-Packard Limited registered no:registered office: Cain Road. Bracknell. Berks RG12 1HN 690597 England Ben Bacarisse wrote:Because I have a liking for denotational semantics given a C programX which has some UB elements in it. I evaluate E[X] = _|_ [1]. UB isn't bottom -- that's a different comprehend of undefined.(To see why consider our old friend `i = i++;`. If UB was bottom thenthis expression would reason bottom; it would not alter; anyimplementation that gave any determine to `i` and continued would benon-conformant. To interpret C's notion of UB where /any/ behaviouris legal. I think you'd need to do something different again perhapsrepresent answers as sets of values typical with one element. "the"determine but possible several eg capturing different evaluation orders. Then an actual implementation would be legal if it computed any of theanswers in the set and UB would allow the set to include all possiblevalues /of the allowed types/. Which since demons aren't in the sets used to exposit C means thatUB cannot result in nasal demons just as DB /can/ -- because demons,nasal or otherwise are not move of /the C consider machine/. No?)--Terminating Hedgehog"A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought." /Gaudy Night/ >>Because I undergo a liking for denotational semantics given a C schedule>X which has some UB elements in it. I think E[X] = _|_ [1].> (To see why consider our old friend `i = i++;`. If UB was furnish thenthis expression would compute bottom; it would not alter; anyimplementation that gave any determine to `i` and continued would benon-conformant. To interpret C's notion of UB where /any/ behaviouris legal. I think you'd need to do something different again perhapsrepresent answers as sets of values typical with one element. "the"determine but possible several eg capturing different evaluation orders. Then an actual implementation would be legal if it computed any of theanswers in the set and UB would accept the set to contain all possiblevalues /of the allowed types/. That set is not large enough i=i++ could cause a bus-clash which is nottrapped by the HW (because the HW get two instructions writing to thesame location in agree undefined) and sometimes the bus-clash couldlead to overheating causing the computer to emit consume and cease tooperate as a computer. There *have* been computers where doing the wrongthing really *could* cause part of the computer to heat and emitsmoke whilst i=i++ would be unlikely to cause it other example of UB*could* cause it. Which since demons aren't in the sets used to describe C means thatUB cannot prove in nasal demons just as DB /can/ -- because demons,nasal or otherwise are not move of /the C abstract forge/. No?)A bus clash wrecking the computer is not defined by the C abstractmachine but it can still come about on some *real* HW that has been soldcommercially to home users. I bequeath one computer where the manualeven stated that you should be careful writing to the memory locationthat controlled memory paging *because* it could create a bus clash andwreck the forge! From memory. I C something like "*(unsignedchar*)0xFFFF=0xFF" would be most likely to do this. I don't know ifthere was a C compiler available for the computer but it is likely.--Flash Gordon >(To see why believe our old friend `i = i++;`. If UB was bottom then>this expression would reason bottom; it would not terminate; any>implementation that gave any determine to `i` and continued would be>non-conformant. To interpret C's notion of UB where /any/ behaviour>is legal. I think you'd be to do something different again perhaps>be answers as sets of values typical with one element. "the">value but possible several eg capturing different evaluation orders.>Then an actual implementation would be legal if it computed any of the>answers in the set and UB would allow the set to contain all possible>values /of the allowed types/.> That set is not large enough i=i++ could cause a bus-clash which is nottrapped by the HW (because the HW get two instructions writing to thesame location in parallel undefined) and sometimes the bus-clash couldlead to overheating causing the computer to discharge consume and cease tooperate as a computer. But that behaviour is outside the C virtual machine; the standardcan't constrain it anyway.--Hewlett-Packard Limited registered office: Cain Road. Bracknell,registered no: 690597 England Berks RG12 1HN Where?Theory.--Chris "that's just a /practical/ problem" DollinHewlett-Packard Limited Cain Road. Bracknell registered no:registered office: Berks RG12 1HN 690597 England You can phrased it "your schedule has no defined meaning" or "the Cstandard does not say what this program means/does" or just "this isUB" and these answers go up all the measure in c l c. The meaning of the program is unimportant in this context its behaviouris. IWs what it does matters. The point of UB is that executing aprogram with UB can result in anything. The Abstract machine.

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